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Tuesday, December 21, 2010

Georgia knee caps itself, again...

T Kyle King has a great article up on recently released numbers for failed drug tests. We've already touched on ways Georgia voluntarily weakens itself compared to the competitors in terms of scholarship usage. Now comes out reports that Georgia again puts itself in a disadvantage to its' competition in terms of substance abuse. Now, we here at Sports and Grits will agree with the overall idea that drugs, drugs are bad.

But compared to our SEC competition, Georgia is one of probably 3 schools who suspend on a first failed drug test (we'll assume Vandy does). And of the others, one is a guess, doesn't have an athletic department, and is a lifelong cellar dwellar, while the other views football as a month long distraction between the end of horse season and beginning of basketball season. No one in the Big We Can't Count suspends on the first failed drug test (except perhaps Northwestern, who was unreported). And no one out in the Hippie 10 does either (as you could guess from the Pac 12's new official mascot).

In fact, just two other schools we'd consider top programs have such a strict policy, Virginia Tech and Miami (and Miami may change soon with Randy Shannon out). As fanhouse notes Urban Meyer has been as strict on the 4th (half season) and 5th violation (dismissal) as Mark Richt on the 2nd and 3rd failed tests, and even that is somewhat questionable with examples like Percy Harvey and former DT Marcus Thomas being dismissed, then let back on the team for some big games, and dismissed again.

After numerous DUIs and other alcohol problems, combined with a school wide policy against underage drinking violations, Georgia is already in a much tougher spot regarding alcohol problems than its SEC brethren. Now, we are much tougher against drugs too. While we are admirably taking the high road on some of these issues such as alcohol abuse, drug abuse, and scholarship abuse, Georgia is once again putting itself at a competitive disadvantage against the rest of the SEC. Simply put, Mark Richt just doesn't want it as bad as his peers.

We'll close with a question for the Sports and Grits community: Is Georgia doing the right thing with it's stance on drug and alcohol use, or should we hope McGarity brings a Florida type leniency on this issue?


  1. "Simply put, Mark Richt just doesn't want it as bad as his peers."

    This post made perfect sense right up until that point. Huge gap in your logic, there.

    Do you mean to imply that if two men want something but only one is willing to sacrifice his morals to get it, that man wants it more? That logic could only be true if the two men had the same moral standards, which can not be presumed here.

    I am for a more lenient policy, but I'm not naive enough to believe its because I want to win more than Richt does; its because I have lower moral standards than him.

  2. Anon,
    That comment is more a general statement than specifically related to the drug suspensions. As shown in the article from back around the beginning of October, Richt as a whole doesn't seem willing to make the same sacrifices others in similar positions at similar schools do. He's not willing to sacrifice his moral stance on this. He's not willing to sacrifice his morals on cutting unproductive kids from their scholarships.

    High level coaches have to sacrifice their health and families often. Is Richt? See Andy Reid, Urban Meyer, Charlie Weiss, Nick Saban, Jon Gruden, among so many others. These guys have their families in shambles, ignore their daughters, have significant health issues, work 100 hour weeks. Now, I can respect a man who puts family and God first and foremost in their lives. But it seems to me that most successful football coaches destroy their health, ignore their families, and will give anything for an extra win. I for one, do not think Richt is willing to sacrifice his health, his time with his family, etc to like others coaching at such a high level. Whether it's right or wrong, that's the business he's chosen.

  3. If allowing players to do drugs made the team I support better, I would just have to get used to 7-5.

  4. How is it "allowing" by simply not suspending? Make them run stadium steps til their legs fall off. Give them a month of mandatory 5 am workouts. There's dozens of ways to not "allow" them to do drugs and not put yourself at a competitive disadvantage. That is the point, repeatedly Coach Richt and his program is self inflicting damage in a way that is not in line with their competition.

    If you want to be self righteous, go follow the Ivy League. We play for real football down here.

  5. If you want to be self righteous, go follow the Ivy League. We play for real football down here.

    Did you graduate from Georgia? If you did and you still think that way, I don't know what to tell you.

  6. Anon @2:45
    You think the Ivy League compares to the SEC? And I attended the University of Georgia when we unfortunately had both things Andy describes, getting used to 4 or 5 losses per year AND a significant drug problem amongst numerous players. I'd wager the drug problem on the team is a lot less prevalent than it was then, but we had many of the same problems with discipline and S&C as we do now.

  7. Or did you mean that the Ivy League schools have plenty of problems occur in their programs too, some being drug issues. Cause that's true too.

  8. Mr. Sanchez,

    Are you telling me that 18-23 year old black kids that grew up poor are smoking marijuana?

    "If allowing players to do drugs made the team I support better, I would just have to get used to 7-5."

    "Did you graduate from Georgia? If you did and you still think that way, I don't know what to tell you."

    Self-Righteousness, helping Georgians accept mediocrity and average coaches keep their job since the days of Ray Goof.

  9. We'll just have to agree to disagree here. If the price of winning games is adopting a give-strikes-and-you're-out policy and letting Chris Rainey play, I'll root for the kids that are left over and not be associated with that garbage.Call it whatever you like.

    Sounds like you need victories to validate yourself.

  10. And that should be *five-strikes-and-you're out..."

  11. Anon @4:14

    Yes we do need victories. As Herm Edwards said

    This non-sense about "I would rather do it this way or that way." It is total BS. You can't be alter boy and take a job in a cut-throat business like SEC football.

    You put middle-class white kids and poor black kids on a campus with rich kids who have money, throw parties with booze and weed, and you think there is never going to be a DUI or a minor posession or a failed drug test. Please these kids are rock-stars and they are kids so they are gonna live a little.
    If a kid tests positive for something like heroine well that is different but weed, come on man.
    If a kids fails a weed or a steroid test he should get three strikes.....that is what it means to be a coach. You help kids get through mistakes.

  12. Anon @ 4:14/4:15

    I'm not advocating a 5 strikes and out thing. There is a difference between us and Florida. What's wrong with as several in the SEC do, and give a hell month with Coach T on strike 1, 25-50% of the season (+ 2 or 3 hell months) on strike 2, and goodbye on strike 3? Can you not see the large gap between us as the harshest, and Florida as probably the most lenient?

  13. I will never want any team I root for to turn a blind eye and give multiple "strikes". Call me a loser, call me a white boy, call me Yankee Doodle Dandy if you please. I want to root for guys thatmy children can look up to and root for as well.

  14. Agreed, Andy. Look, I've smoked a joint or 20 in my life. I've also done so with the full understanding at what I would lose if I was caught. Smart decisions? Probably not. But if I got caught, I would have no one to blame but myself.

  15. That is just what we need.

    4-Loss season average over the last 5 years now

    #2 Fulmer Cup average over the last 5 years now

    And, now we are asking that Police quit arresting our players

    That The University have a policy to allow drugs

    And, that we let in all these miscreants

    Who, together, have LOST 20 games last 5 years

    I've got an idea

    Why don't we get rid of every Mark Richt coach on his staff who continue to bring in all these bad elements, such as Caleb Darnell King, and have a search firm do all of Mark Richt's hires from now on on his coaching staff - with the coaching staff of Mark Richt's then only responsible for EVERYTHING - and Mark Richt responsible for NOTHING.

    Guess what ?

    He still will LOSE 4 games a season.

    He still will be 13-12 vs SEC East the last 5 years with only 1 team we played the entire 5 years

    We still will have a fan base made up of a limited vocal group of Bible Thumpers who think Mark Richt walks on water while he has LOST 9 of 12 games vs Top 10 Final AP Poll teams in his 10 years and has LOST for good measure another 10 games these 10 years of the Mark Richt Era vs NOT Top 25 Final AP Poll teams.

    By direct contrast, Auburn WON 6 games THIS SEASON ALONE vs Top 21 opponents.

    Let's not talk about Caleb King being the eleventh (11th) arrested Bulldog this season alone, and just change the rules so that drugs are legal east of the bridge, west of the railroad tracks, south of McWhorter Hall and North of the Vet school - just only that 1 area - anything goes.

    Yeah, that's it.

    That will work.

    That will Fix Everything.

    "I ran outta gas! I had a flat tire! I didn't have enough money for cab fare! My tux didn't come back from the cleaners! An old friend came in from outta town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!!!"

  16. Wow. . i can't even believe this article was written. Methinks you should just go cheer for a school who doesn't care about winning the right way. In football and more importantly IN LIFE, it NEVER is a good policy to "win at all costs". And it isn't like we are Vanderbilt or Kentucky. We still win games, the last two years notwithstanding. And seriously, there was ONE game this whole year that we didn't have a chance to win towards the end. We were just a few plays away. If taking a lighter stance on drug use and alcohol abuse is the difference between 10-2 and 7-5. . well, i think we all know that's a bunch of crap. Terrible article. Almost ashamed that you are a Dawgs fan. . . almost. I guess you are entitled to your opinion. I just hope it changes when you come to your senses.

  17. UpDawg,

    What I think my brother blogger was saying is there is no need for UGA to have policies more stringent than the elite SEC competition. This is not the only difference between 10-2 and 7-5 but it can be a contributing factor.

    Please never again hold-up the fact that we "almost won, or we were close in the end" this is a Georgia Bulldog site not Kentucky....we don't count moral victories. Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.

    Sorry if our keeping it real is offensive but someone has to know what goes into the sausage.